Date: 2004-01-16 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflysneeze.livejournal.com
Hey, it's the Godwin's Law people!

Date: 2004-01-16 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliki.livejournal.com
Why, do you think Bush has done nothing that warrants question?

Date: 2004-01-16 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflysneeze.livejournal.com
I think that anybody who compared Bush to Hitler is hopelessly myopic & doesn't understand what Hitler did that was so bad.

Date: 2004-01-16 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliki.livejournal.com
I checked their website, and I didn't see anything on MoveOn.org that indicated that they compares Bush to Hitler. I certainly don't think many people who made 30 second ads believe that Bush's policy are as atrocious as those of Hitler. However, do you honestly strongly disagree with any of these 7 statements, paraphrased from the website?

I wouldn't say I firmly believe in all seven, but I do feel strongly about certain things: the choice and access to abortion, strong education background, a clean environment and the freedom to privacy. Bush certainly does not advocate any of these, nor does his actions speak for any of them.

1. The Bush Administration has consistently misled the American public about Iraq , most significantly regarding Saddam Hussein's possession of weapons of mass destruction and his ties to al Queda and Osama bin Laden.

2. The Bush Administration's regressive environmental policies have lowered cleanliness standards for our air and water while allowing utility companies to profit off of the weakened regulations.

3. Bush is underfunding education. The President cut $200 million from his own No Child Left Behind Act, eliminating crucial educational programs for lower income children and cutting professional training for more than 20,000 teachers.

4. The Bush Administration's Patriot Act threatens our constitutional rights and civil liberties. Passed by a post 9/11 Congress, the Patriot act expands the ability of law enforcement to conduct secret searches, and engage various forms of surveillance, including internet monitoring and wiretapping. It gives the FBI access to American citizens' highly personal medical, financial, mental health, and student records without notification or permission, and allows them to investigate individuals without probable cause of a crime. Finally, it permits non-citizens to be jailed based on mere suspicion and held indefinitely in six month increments without meaningful judicial review.

5. Bush's Tax Cuts only benefit the rich. Bush failed to mention that this “relief” program would put half of the tax cut's dividends into the hands of our nation's wealthiest 5%, while 8.1 million citizens in the bottom half of the income bracket receive approximately $300 a year.

6. 3.3 million jobs (93,000 in August of 2003 alone) have been lost since Bush took office--more than the last 11 Presidents combined. (Bureau of Labor Statistics, June 2001-August 2003)

7. Bush is underfunding homeland security : While energetic in waging war abroad, the Bush administration has been oddly lethargic in fortifying our defenses at home. Domestic security agencies have been neglected.

Date: 2004-01-16 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflysneeze.livejournal.com
The only one that's seriously credible is #4. 1 is a matter of media distortion, 2 is patently false, 3 -- "No Child Left Behind" was a ridiculous law to start with, 5 benefitted me & I don't consider myself to be rich, 6 isn't a direct result of Bush policies (in fact, in the wake of 9/11, I think the economy has been remarkably strong, particularly since it was reeling from the Clinton-era dot-com crash), and 7 seems like a have-it-both-ways item vis a vis item 4.

Date: 2004-01-16 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] butterflysneeze.livejournal.com
Oh, and a small sampling on the Hitler issue:

http://www.professorbainbridge.com/2004/01/moveonorgs_hitl.html
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1051711/posts

Moveon.org was not directly making the Hitler parallels -- it was providing a convenient forum for them to be presented.

I'm waiting for the Democrats to present a candidate who attacks Bush where he is really weak -- but it doesn't look like they are going to do it. My suspicion is that they will put up Howard Dean, who will pull the far-left vote & leave the center to Bush...resulting in a Bush landslide.

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